Thursday, March 19, 2009

Homophobia in Sports Presentation/Greenfield Lecture

Let's keep the conversation going....

26 comments:

  1. I think anything that isn't normal to others is considered wrong. But who is normal? I think peopel should first get past the physical aspect of homosexuality. Gay/lesbians don't just have sex all the time, they have normal relationships. People get caught up on the roles and the act, i bet some of the acts we do behind closed doors is not normal to others. Is it normal to have sex before marriage? Is it normal to have sex with several different people? Again my question is what is normal, and who dictates what is normal or right? What others do behind closed doors is their business. As far as a political stance, we have enough bullshit going on in the world we don't need time, money and energy spent on preventing people from getting married. And yes it is a personal choice and everyone has the right to their own beliefs, but when you bestow your beleifs on others it is a problem.

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  2. My daughter is going to blog this weekend under my name so if anyone has questions, or statements she says feel free to ask.

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  3. I feel somewhat silenced by the directions for this week's blog. Why is this subject so taboo? Why can't we discuss how we feel about homosexuality? I am very passionate about where I stand on certain issues, but my goal is never to offend anyone by my opinions. Nor do I wish to be attacked because as it seems my viewpoint is unpopular. My responses to the topics in the directions come back to the same viewpoint. To discuss this subject only from one unique sociological view when their are other processes to consider by looking at the bigger picture, it discourages me from participating. One thing I did want to make clear, just because I believe that homosexuality is not a natural phenomenon does not mean I am somehow ill-informed, hateful, or homosphobic. I am anything but ignorant and have based by viewpoint on careful research and close personal relationships with different types of people. If you have a personal connection to this topic then I believe you will benefit from listening to others who have a different viewpoint. Who's fearful now?

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  4. It may not be what you say it may be "how" you say

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  5. I will be more than happy to discuss my reasons for encouraging the sociological focus for the discussion in class on Tuesday. I do not want to interject too many comments here, as the goal is for students to have a safe space to explore their ideas.

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  6. Great class discussion this week. I think we may have made a few individuals uncomfortable w/ the topic on homophobia, mostly males. The lifestyle one chooses to live sometimes chooses us instead. Many have "come out of the closet" after years of being oppressed because they did or did not know how other would react. If a certain way of life is not the way you chose to live, why "hate" ON OTHER IF THEY CHOSE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOURSELF? What matters is the fact that you accept you for who you are, "to thy own-self be true"

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  7. First of all, I agree with Crystal that homosexuality is not all about the sex and I don't understand why people look at it that way. I do think that people perceive gay men differently than lesbians perhaps because of the way they come across. Lesbians are not always so easily picked out visibly as there are many different types that run the scope from feminine or "lipstick lesbians" to hardcore dykes. I do believe society has come a long way with this subject especially when it comes to celebrities or sports figures. It is more accepted than it used to be especially among the younger generation. Maybe societies perceptions have changed because many gays are highly intelligent, productive, successful citizens that don't do anything that could cause others to look at them negatively. Many gays raise children without any problems also. Isn't it better for children to come from a loving two parent home regardless of the parent's sexual orientation? I've read many times also where homosexuality is better accepted among whites than among blacks. Have other of you heard this, and why do you think its harder to accept in the black culture? Many people falsely judge this group due to ignorance, maybe everyone just needs to be more open and tolerant.

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  8. The comments thus far, have been very intersesting. From my perspective I view the issue of homosexuality as a way for one to expressed themselves. Men are usally easier to depict than a gay lesbian women, on a basis of how they dress and their manerism. A lesbian on the other hand can dress like a boy, but it's quite harder to decipher if their gay, could be more of a tomboy . The issue of gays, and many people being homophoic against them is still a large social norm, that will exist for some time. But however, I looked at it as something we should care less about. There business is there business, we have a lot more important issues in society we need to care about, than gays getting married or adopting a child. I think the way society labels the gay society is how we view it. If we did not necessiarly have those stigmas to think about, we may not have certain opinions about the issue at hand.

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  9. I think we live in a world that has to have something to talk about.Race, sexuality, religion,politics,etc, people have to for some reason or another be in someone elses business,example the war, won't go any further with that. I have also heard whites are more accepting, but i really don't think that is true, no evidence, but they have an image to uphold, i think that is in every race,the difference is and should be that it doesn't matter about images, but we again live in a world that is superficial. I agree with Janella, concerning same sex adoption, if the people have been fully checked out by the proper authorities than they should be able to adopt, i did a research paper on that too, and the opposition felt the children would become homosexual, and that same sex relationships only teach one way,granted it is a difficult situation for older children to handle the stigmatizm of gay parents, but this is when the parents should step up and teach children to hold their heads up high and ignore what others say and think. Jesus was talked about, so what makes us any different?

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  10. Hi...I'm Destiny. (Crystal's daughter; first year student at Bennett College for Women.)((my apologies if my thoughts seem scattered)) I don't really disagree much with what has been stated; though, it would be nice if...in backing the things you all believe in, you could use facts. I say that simply because it is impossible to fully discuss a social "problem" such as sexuality, religion, politics without having either a personal (factual) affiliation or by being informed from someone who does; especially when explaing the social issue with one who is ignorant to the subject. When engaging in these types of conversations without proper information (facts) room is left for misconception. Its okay to walk around with hand fulls of facts and personal learning experiences. By getting into a discussion on a subject such as homosexuality and sharing particulars it is best to make the conversation more general. Compare similarities more than differences. The reason these types of discussions have become so taboo (not sure if this is okay but, in reference to the comment made by Candice) is because as people we've stopped seeing all sides. We've given into "thats THEM" "I'll mind my buisness". Those well informed on the subject fail to show more parallels. Fail to show that FORTUNATELY "it" is us and what once was your buisness is now your neighbors, your childs, you boss'. ((I don't really have much more...any questions))

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  11. I agree with everyone's point of view. And, I personally don't have a problem working with or associating with a person who is gay or lesbian. People don't walk around with a stamp on their forehead so how do you know anyway unless they shared that about them? It is their personal preference and I respect that.
    They are intelligent and talented and have a lot to offer as professional athletes, entertainers, business professionals, etc. And, just like myself, should be given the opportunity to do so without having to put all their business out there. However, discrimination is discrimination and while I know it hurts to be discriminated against b/c of my sex or race I have sympathy for anyone being discriminated against b/c of their sexuality.

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  12. I think Dr.G did a wonderful job, i do have issues with religion and how people conviently bring it into play when there is nothing else they can say. Convient Christians is what i call it, it is convient to throw the Bible into play when all else is said and done, and usually it shuts down any conversation. My thoughts are this, and i got some of this from a "man of the cloth" some of it anyway, Back then people were killed for just about any sin they committed, more so by the people,who felt they had to run the show, God took care of the big stuff,but women who slept outside of their marriages were stoned to death, men could take women and sleep with them,etc,again my thoughts,we have some what progressed past that point,so if God had issues with homosexual people, they wouldn't be, he has almighty power to "poof" and they would be gone or not gay anymore. That hasn't happened,so who are we(those who have issues) to take it upon themselves to do the lords work? Again i say we are a society that has to have something to talk about, somebody elses business to be up in, if everyone took care of home, and "cleaned around their own backdoors" we could get along. I commend the lady for making a statement,and it reminds me when my mother said, watch what you say, you never know who is listening and who you are talking to about someone,who knows who? See even though everyone was cool with the fact that she opened up to us, someone went back to the dorm,and talked about "the lady who came out in class" and someone else is going to point her out when they see her some where,the truth is the truth. That is what worries me about my daughter,someone pointing her out,in doing so that opens her up for all kinds of disasters.On a lighter side, she is so dang outgoing they are going to point her out anyway.

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  13. Hi Destiny, thanks for joing in on our class discussion. Your statement @ examining the likenesses instead of focusing on our differences was very real! It we, society would simply take the time to examine themselves, we would conclude that we (people) are really not that different. Accepting the likenesses I feel is more difficult that accepting our differences. Something eachone of use has to address as individuals.

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  14. I just wanted to clarify that me coming out in class was to inform all of you that homosexuality is not strictly based on sex. Homosexuality is and can be based on love, caring for another individual regardless of sex or race, compassion, and what every hetereosexual relationship is based on. I would like to thank Dr. Greenfield for allowing me to express myself in class which may allow those that may be afraid to be themselves to come out and not be ashamed of who they are. Meeting my significant other made it clear that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her. She is my best friend, my rock, and I hope everyone can find the same in the heterosexual world.

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  15. As an individual no matter how smart or how rich or how poor or how incompetent or talented we are all still individuals that should be treated and respected as one. No matter our decision making process or our behavior we all have the ability to choose our own path and create our own lives with no need to justify it to anyone. They say that we mostly all come in this world alone and we primarily leave alone, so this leads me to believe that if you make your bed then you should lay in it right? But why are we so insistent on trying to remake or remodel people into what we want them to be. Remaking or remodeling should be left for homes and vehicles not a person. Then we take a step further if these same people we want to recreate do not follow suit then we seem to lose respect or care for that person as if we have been the one disrespected when in all actuality we are the one doing the disrespecting. If we genuinely care about a person then we wouldn’t want them to change because we cared about the person previously so why change now. We all should learn to respect a person for who they are and not for what we want them to be.

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  16. I know im a little late...But i really dnt have anything to say about homosexuals....I believe it's their business and if that's what they perferr so be it....they're humans just as we are the only thing is the same sex makes them "feel great in the bed room" whats the big deal....(the thing i wanted to say in class to Crystal's comment was: i believe we as a society are nosey people that's just human nature as people why dnt ask but i think society sees homosexuality as a problem when homosexuals began to display public affection...being that it's "soooooo unethical and goes againist people belief they make it into a big situation which i think is crazy there are far more serious situations that need to be focus on and are not....

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  17. I robert brown understand the if your not for it your against it point of view but I still think that if people just mind their business non homosexual people would have to worry about how another person is I think that the only time it should be something done about it is if someone that is homosexual try to push up on anyone that is not homosexual then that’s a problem no I am not against homosexual and neither am I homosexual I just prefer to stay out of and away from business that does not concern me.

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  18. I feel that the ones that are effected with a homosexual person to the point where they start being rediculous about the sitution and over recting, that they are some what gay themselves, there just in the closet. this is the united states o america and if some one wants to sleep with the same sex, that is that mans business and nobody elses. just like what was said in class, your life will nit change a bit by that man/woman being gay, bisexual,etc. people ae going to do what they want, when they want, when ever they want to, so wasting your time worrying about them is just a not worth it.

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  19. I wanted to give much props to Lt. Mclean for providing her story also the presentors on the excellent job the did. Many have difficulties with the flamboyancy of homosexuality just like many who have been oppressed like i.e. blacks and woman its a feeling of not being heard and the end result for a person reacted in a certain way. We use the bible as I UNDERLINIG text of truth or source of reference but dont follow it to the exact.

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  20. First of all i want to say that i agree with what crystal said "people get caught up in the act" which is true. But that is also were i disagree with you crystal. How can two people of the same sex muster those feelings for each other? I believe that this is the reason women and men were made for each other. Women have strength coupled with compassion and understanding. Us men for the most part are geared toward having strength and very little compassion.Women are for the most part more flexible than us men. Women are for the most part very emotional people, and they need us to kind of neutralize their emotional ways. Women feed off our strength and our sometimes harsh ways. I have also noticed that women look to us for direction and or guidance in different ways. This is why men and women compliment each other so well. With all the above mentioned i just don't understand the psycological of a gay or lesbian individual. There is an overwhelming number of women as opposed to men in this world, so with that being said there are alot of beautiful women to choose from. And with women these days they get out of a bad relationship with their boyfriend and all of a sudden they are ready to "come out of the closet" and claim that they are lesbian. I've noticed Alot of black women get into that excuse my language but they get into that n#**#s ain't s**t stage, and all of sudden say that they are lesbian when in actuality they are not. With that being said i think us men and women need to take a little bit more time to understand and learn each other a little bit better to have more fruitful relationships with each other

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  21. Its me again!!! I want to go on the record and say that i don't have anything against homosexuals, weather gay or lesbian. However to be completely honest i don't really like the catty type around me. What i mean is the loud guys who behave or belive that they are actually more feminine than an actual woman. If anyone can post why a woman and another woman, or a man and another man have it in their minds to elope with one another i'd appreciate it

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  22. well i think if everyone was to mind there own business than the world would be a little better. im not gay or anything but if u like someone of the same sex then thats your business no one elses. to many nosey people in the world and they worrying about gay people. if they not bothering yall then don't bother them.

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  23. OK who cares? If it does not directly affect you why should you care. People need to focus on what they do and how they can if possible make their lives or situations in their lives better.

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  24. I stated earlier that I agreed with everyone's point of view but as I read on I cant really say that honestly so..... I want to say that I respect everyone's point of view. However, I do agree with Jamaal's comment, "We use the bible as I UNDERLINIG text of truth or source of reference but dont follow it to the exact." In reference to homosexuality and the Bible, I cant really say b/c I don't know my scripture like that but I do know it's funny how we pick and chose what is right and wrong in this life we live. If my memory serves me correctly lust, adultrey, gossip, greed, jealously,envy etc are all just as "wrong" as anything else but we don't see those as issues in the same context. Yes, I think we need to mind our own. No, we have no right to judge. I don't feel like it's my place. But, I do believe everybody deserves the right to be happy.

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  25. homophonbia... to me I believe homophobia is an insecurity within a person. someone who is unsure about themselves or sexuality. homophobia is an excuse for immaturity and ignorance. someone once told me that it is a high anxiety(the stress or uneasy of mind caused by fear danger or misfortune) they believe it is something you can catch. for example if someone was on a high rise building and was afaid of heights they would be afraid to fall. well people around other homosexuals are afraid of catching the attraction to the same sex. once again even getting the opinion of someone else i still believe it is an excuse for ignorance. For the simple fact that it is a known fact that being around other homosexuals are not contagious and is not something you catch as a disease.

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  26. We should all just learn to live with others people problems because no one wants to be wrong and so life goes on

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